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	<title>Comments on: I switched from Linux to Windows Server 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Lin Win</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1859</link>
		<dc:creator>Lin Win</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are an admin you need to master both systems. If you have a server farm of webservers, you can dramatically reduce costs on hardware requirements and power consumption by using a GUI-less LAMP stack on all machines. This will make your boss smile. That&#039;s why 75% of ISP&#039;s run Linux. On the other hand, if you need a large AD domain you have no choice but use Windows for ease of configuration, which will again save time and money.

I have used both systems and Server 2008 will do if u run just a few services. To run more services you need multiple servers because it is a resource hog compared to a Linux server. Microsoft and hardware vendors will smile when they see the revenues.

A Linux server can be hard to configure (for me that is not a problem but a challenge and a chance to learn), but once configured it runs blazingly fast and rock stable.

And, whats wrong with a little scripting to automate tasks? If you are a sysadmin who can&#039;t do scripting, then what kind of sysadmin are you? Scripting can be done much more powerfully on Linux than on Windows.

The multiple Linux configuration files are an advantage to me, as compared to the monolithic Windows registry which can be it&#039;s achilles&#039; heel.

GUI configuration is not my first choice perse. I thing setting up DNS is more cumbersome in a Server 2008 GUI than directly editing the records in a zone file on Linux. Not everyone likes to use 2008 for it&#039;s DNS server role. Why do you think BIND is the most used DNS server on the planet?

The guys complaining about drivers clearly have no clue what they are talkin about. This driver problem is caused by closed source vendors, and not by the Linux kernel. Same goes for closed source codecs like flash, and setting up multiple monitors with closed source video drivers. So if you must bash anyone, bash those vendors.

Furthermore, a failing custom driver on Windows can crash the entire OS (happens regularly with dodgy USB sticks requiring their own custom drivers). If a driver fails on Linux the kernel and the distribution OS will happily keep running.

Incidentally, in 12 years of experience with both systems I have had more hardware/driver trouble with windows than with Linux.

And how about hardware migration? Stick a HD with a Windows install into a new computer and you WILL have to reinstall in 90% of the cases. With Linux, you can just use the same install in 90% of the cases, saving enormous amounts of time when you have to migrate a few hundred systems.

As for security, I never liked the cumbersome &quot;runas&quot; feature in Windows, sudo is much more transparent. Seems to me that the majority of posters here run their server as adminitrator all the time. You can&#039;t do nothing worse for security than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are an admin you need to master both systems. If you have a server farm of webservers, you can dramatically reduce costs on hardware requirements and power consumption by using a GUI-less LAMP stack on all machines. This will make your boss smile. That&#8217;s why 75% of ISP&#8217;s run Linux. On the other hand, if you need a large AD domain you have no choice but use Windows for ease of configuration, which will again save time and money.</p>
<p>I have used both systems and Server 2008 will do if u run just a few services. To run more services you need multiple servers because it is a resource hog compared to a Linux server. Microsoft and hardware vendors will smile when they see the revenues.</p>
<p>A Linux server can be hard to configure (for me that is not a problem but a challenge and a chance to learn), but once configured it runs blazingly fast and rock stable.</p>
<p>And, whats wrong with a little scripting to automate tasks? If you are a sysadmin who can&#8217;t do scripting, then what kind of sysadmin are you? Scripting can be done much more powerfully on Linux than on Windows.</p>
<p>The multiple Linux configuration files are an advantage to me, as compared to the monolithic Windows registry which can be it&#8217;s achilles&#8217; heel.</p>
<p>GUI configuration is not my first choice perse. I thing setting up DNS is more cumbersome in a Server 2008 GUI than directly editing the records in a zone file on Linux. Not everyone likes to use 2008 for it&#8217;s DNS server role. Why do you think BIND is the most used DNS server on the planet?</p>
<p>The guys complaining about drivers clearly have no clue what they are talkin about. This driver problem is caused by closed source vendors, and not by the Linux kernel. Same goes for closed source codecs like flash, and setting up multiple monitors with closed source video drivers. So if you must bash anyone, bash those vendors.</p>
<p>Furthermore, a failing custom driver on Windows can crash the entire OS (happens regularly with dodgy USB sticks requiring their own custom drivers). If a driver fails on Linux the kernel and the distribution OS will happily keep running.</p>
<p>Incidentally, in 12 years of experience with both systems I have had more hardware/driver trouble with windows than with Linux.</p>
<p>And how about hardware migration? Stick a HD with a Windows install into a new computer and you WILL have to reinstall in 90% of the cases. With Linux, you can just use the same install in 90% of the cases, saving enormous amounts of time when you have to migrate a few hundred systems.</p>
<p>As for security, I never liked the cumbersome &#8220;runas&#8221; feature in Windows, sudo is much more transparent. Seems to me that the majority of posters here run their server as adminitrator all the time. You can&#8217;t do nothing worse for security than that.</p>
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		<title>By: xtropx</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>xtropx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 18:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Stefan] said,

&quot;Ubuntu vs Win2K8 Server is like a shootout between a Walter PPK and an ICBM.&quot;

Pretty much right on. While you could use various Linux distributions for Enterprise-level applications, if you are going to compare you can&#039;t have apples to oranges. If you want to deploy a Linux alternative to Microsoft Server, you have to be in the same Enterprise-level boat. I have always went for a somewhat different solution.

The power of Linux as opposed to MS Server Operating system is their hardware requirements. I can run FreeBSD on a machine with 128mb of RAM and a Celeron and use it for a variety of network services. (VPN Tunnels, DNS, DHCP, Routing, etc)  Just to get Server 2008 up and running you need a machine with 4 times as much RAM, and of course activating the Routing and Remote Access Services will use more memory and CPU.

So I think system admins come to a choice. Virtualization is the future. I can virtualize a variety of open-source Linux and Unix distributions all on one modest ESX server (think 16-24GB RAM, 4-8 Cores, depending on the needs) and achieve the same functionality level as a more expensive, more power hungry Windows Server. There is a learning curve involved in this. Reading the documentation. Understanding. -or- A system&#039;s admin can go the Microsoft route in order to save some time and money and hassle with bash &amp; terminal and other such things. (If you are savvy, you figure it out.)

In the end, if you are talking about what is going to get you hired or keep you successful in industry, chances are the boss will be more interested in those who can cut costs in both hardware and software while keeping the functionality and keeping systems running smoothly in their environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Stefan] said,</p>
<p>&#8220;Ubuntu vs Win2K8 Server is like a shootout between a Walter PPK and an ICBM.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty much right on. While you could use various Linux distributions for Enterprise-level applications, if you are going to compare you can&#8217;t have apples to oranges. If you want to deploy a Linux alternative to Microsoft Server, you have to be in the same Enterprise-level boat. I have always went for a somewhat different solution.</p>
<p>The power of Linux as opposed to MS Server Operating system is their hardware requirements. I can run FreeBSD on a machine with 128mb of RAM and a Celeron and use it for a variety of network services. (VPN Tunnels, DNS, DHCP, Routing, etc)  Just to get Server 2008 up and running you need a machine with 4 times as much RAM, and of course activating the Routing and Remote Access Services will use more memory and CPU.</p>
<p>So I think system admins come to a choice. Virtualization is the future. I can virtualize a variety of open-source Linux and Unix distributions all on one modest ESX server (think 16-24GB RAM, 4-8 Cores, depending on the needs) and achieve the same functionality level as a more expensive, more power hungry Windows Server. There is a learning curve involved in this. Reading the documentation. Understanding. -or- A system&#8217;s admin can go the Microsoft route in order to save some time and money and hassle with bash &amp; terminal and other such things. (If you are savvy, you figure it out.)</p>
<p>In the end, if you are talking about what is going to get you hired or keep you successful in industry, chances are the boss will be more interested in those who can cut costs in both hardware and software while keeping the functionality and keeping systems running smoothly in their environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the linux do need but the windows dont (specific drivers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the linux do need but the windows dont (specific drivers)</p>
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		<title>By: Mads</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Mads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohh come on guys linux is the kernel yea sure but if you are gonna host specific things like lets say a minecraft server and to other services a email and webpage then i would over everything pick windows its easy the hardware i use do not need specific driver if was using linux nope windows has it do i need to download all nope i simply go online from the server and download and if you are using windows server then omg you are the best. when i was using linux well there was no minecraft server software with the functions i needed to keep it running while i was away(i am a student and are hosting tree services :)) so i am a so called end-user but honesty i will all ways prefer the MS solution it like apple it simply work no getting the terminal and write something like a 2 page report on why it wont work then wait for at least 3-5 days before a answer gets on the forum then you write it all down then sudenly out of no were a error suddenly pops up you then go through the post and find that this error is a new one then just starts over and over again and just one thig extra when i was using linux(ubuntu/xbuntu/kubuntu) as a end-user i got every thing from my previus lesson then want to save and it just go balck i go to the more experienced it guy in my familiy and ask he says you can forget about every thing you just wrote, why dos linux or any gui for it has to be like windows ME again(yes its old but i try OSs when i have time) or well yea linux it simply sucks if you are gona host a server for a game or a webpage i will recommend windows but not every MS thing is good for an example the IIS dont use that or exhange i have had trouble with it well exhange is that it cost money and i really dont have that much to go with for the budget

sorry if you guys dont understand me but i am only 15(i dont live in usa or any other english country)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohh come on guys linux is the kernel yea sure but if you are gonna host specific things like lets say a minecraft server and to other services a email and webpage then i would over everything pick windows its easy the hardware i use do not need specific driver if was using linux nope windows has it do i need to download all nope i simply go online from the server and download and if you are using windows server then omg you are the best. when i was using linux well there was no minecraft server software with the functions i needed to keep it running while i was away(i am a student and are hosting tree services <img src='http://www.ytechie.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) so i am a so called end-user but honesty i will all ways prefer the MS solution it like apple it simply work no getting the terminal and write something like a 2 page report on why it wont work then wait for at least 3-5 days before a answer gets on the forum then you write it all down then sudenly out of no were a error suddenly pops up you then go through the post and find that this error is a new one then just starts over and over again and just one thig extra when i was using linux(ubuntu/xbuntu/kubuntu) as a end-user i got every thing from my previus lesson then want to save and it just go balck i go to the more experienced it guy in my familiy and ask he says you can forget about every thing you just wrote, why dos linux or any gui for it has to be like windows ME again(yes its old but i try OSs when i have time) or well yea linux it simply sucks if you are gona host a server for a game or a webpage i will recommend windows but not every MS thing is good for an example the IIS dont use that or exhange i have had trouble with it well exhange is that it cost money and i really dont have that much to go with for the budget</p>
<p>sorry if you guys dont understand me but i am only 15(i dont live in usa or any other english country)</p>
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		<title>By: obaidullah safi</title>
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		<dc:creator>obaidullah safi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you all guys are right, but liston cearfully 
i am a big fan of Microsoft and i love Windows server 2008. it is really cool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you all guys are right, but liston cearfully<br />
i am a big fan of Microsoft and i love Windows server 2008. it is really cool</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I like OSX server.  You get a (nice looking) GUI with the power of unix under the hood.  Want to config stuff from a command line?  You&#039;re covered.  Want to never leave the pretty world of a GUI?  You&#039;re covered.  The real shame is that it never gets any attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I like OSX server.  You get a (nice looking) GUI with the power of unix under the hood.  Want to config stuff from a command line?  You&#8217;re covered.  Want to never leave the pretty world of a GUI?  You&#8217;re covered.  The real shame is that it never gets any attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life of a Windows Server admin:

Oh, you want to share that file? No problem, I&#039;ll just right-click properties, set to sharing, change read/write permissions, and you&#039;re done! Just point to the IP address on the network from your computer and you&#039;ll be able to access it.

Life of a Linux admin:

Oh, you want to share that file? Well let&#039;s see, I&#039;ll just cd into that directory and do an ls -la. Uh, what the heck is drwxr-xr-x? Great, now I gotta go study Linux file permissions.

*30 minutes later*

Ok, so I think I got it, so I&#039;ll just enable all of the letters and see what happens. There, the folder now has write permission for everyone! Oh, you wanted to SHARE it. Crap, I don&#039;t remember where that samba configuration file went. Oh right, this box doesn&#039;t have samba installed, now I have to go compile it. You know what, maybe I&#039;ll just upload it to FTP...


Sorry Linux guys, but to say the GUI is limiting is an understatement. It&#039;s good for its flexibility and ability to see what is happening behind the scenes, but in terms of productivity and being able to handle problems easily, the GUI wins by a landslide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life of a Windows Server admin:</p>
<p>Oh, you want to share that file? No problem, I&#8217;ll just right-click properties, set to sharing, change read/write permissions, and you&#8217;re done! Just point to the IP address on the network from your computer and you&#8217;ll be able to access it.</p>
<p>Life of a Linux admin:</p>
<p>Oh, you want to share that file? Well let&#8217;s see, I&#8217;ll just cd into that directory and do an ls -la. Uh, what the heck is drwxr-xr-x? Great, now I gotta go study Linux file permissions.</p>
<p>*30 minutes later*</p>
<p>Ok, so I think I got it, so I&#8217;ll just enable all of the letters and see what happens. There, the folder now has write permission for everyone! Oh, you wanted to SHARE it. Crap, I don&#8217;t remember where that samba configuration file went. Oh right, this box doesn&#8217;t have samba installed, now I have to go compile it. You know what, maybe I&#8217;ll just upload it to <a href="http://FTP.." rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/FTP..?referer=');">http://FTP..</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Linux guys, but to say the GUI is limiting is an understatement. It&#8217;s good for its flexibility and ability to see what is happening behind the scenes, but in terms of productivity and being able to handle problems easily, the GUI wins by a landslide.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2010 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes me giggle (as a user of both OSS and MS) is the comparison that everybody seems to draw between Windows and Linux. How can you compare an OS with a monolithic kernel? Lol.

It&#039;s amazing just how many self-professed-up-their-own-arse-linusx-sysadmins I have encountered that insist Linux is an operating system. It&#039;s not an OS, it&#039;s kernel. That&#039;s why some of us refer to it as Gni/Linux.

Personally, I firmly advocate that platform zealots will not be employed by my business. Both platforms have pros and cons. Neither is perfect. neither ever will be.

Get over ot peple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes me giggle (as a user of both OSS and MS) is the comparison that everybody seems to draw between Windows and Linux. How can you compare an OS with a monolithic kernel? Lol.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing just how many self-professed-up-their-own-arse-linusx-sysadmins I have encountered that insist Linux is an operating system. It&#8217;s not an OS, it&#8217;s kernel. That&#8217;s why some of us refer to it as Gni/Linux.</p>
<p>Personally, I firmly advocate that platform zealots will not be employed by my business. Both platforms have pros and cons. Neither is perfect. neither ever will be.</p>
<p>Get over ot peple!</p>
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		<title>By: Bordwalk2000</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>Bordwalk2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 05:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You better be impressed with 2008 for it being 600 dollars. My god don&#039;t you think that they are charging a bit to much for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You better be impressed with 2008 for it being 600 dollars. My god don&#8217;t you think that they are charging a bit to much for that?</p>
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		<title>By: APhotographer</title>
		<link>http://www.ytechie.com/2008/04/i-switched-from-linux-to-windows-server-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>APhotographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for me, I like Linux very match and using it sometimes in my photo work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for me, I like Linux very match and using it sometimes in my photo work.</p>
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